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Not to be doing this again, and I haven’t even read the issue in question, but how would you become a shitty guard or an ambassador/diplomat after graduating from assassin school, exactly. Why would you send your half-human bastard children to assassin school. Why does the artbook not mention anything about assassin school.

Like. Cool explanation for how and why they know abyssal. And I guess at least Vex also went to assassin school and wasn’t just complaining while Vax went there, which is, you know, an improvement.

Also if my years of Naruto have taught me anything, it’s that you start teaching your assassins early. Earlier than 10-12, at the very least.

totorotori:

My name is Victoria Carlini.  I wasn’t sure if I should go public about this but thanks to a small group of friends and their support I have decided to go public with this news.  To some, it will feel like I am attempting to grab attention. I wouldn’t blame them for feeling that way; hell if I was reading this it would probably be what I was thinking.

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This is about Orion Acaba and how he basically commited charity fraud. Do not give this man your money. I was sceptical about him raising money from the minute he informed us about his addiction on a stream raising money for a security system for his house, but this is even worse.

I am so sorry this happened to you, Victoria, and I am also sorry for all the people who fell for this.

pagerunner-j:

Apparently tonight was “get drunk and then get opinionated at Matthew Mercer on Twitter about certain CR ships” night, except for the getting drunk part, which I entirely failed to do despite buying a bottle of wine today. It’s still unopened in the fridge. Oops. Maybe I should have the wine now so I can stop feeling anxious as fuck.

(Note: I never stop feeling anxious as fuck, so hello, pointless ventures!)

All that said, it seems I have opinions about Cassandra and Kynan, so, er…yeah. Tweeted that. The key point: “If they can both heal and find understanding and get along, awesome. I just hope she also gets a chance to breathe and make some relationships and have experiences outside of the whole snarl of what destroyed her family.”

I’ll stand by that much. Even if I should have gotten my shit together and stopped writing run-on sentences.

You know, I used to like this ship, but all things considered… I don’t know. Do you know that feeling when your life is shit, like literally shit including dead and/or hospitalized relatives, and then someone wants sympathy from you for feeling a bit lost on their way? And then you don’t know whether to laugh at them or cry?

Like. I get that this ain’t the trauma olympics. But Kynan did have a hand in his own misery, did have way more of a choice in what happened to him, and it lasted a few months maybe. If Cass feels like laughing when he dramatically opens up to her, I wouldn’t blame her at all.

(There’s also the whole thing where he helped the person who helped kill and murder her family, and then also helped that person murder the family she has left. Yay.)

(My personal favorite ship for Cass is with Kaylie. Dying together is one hell of a bonding activity.)

the-half-elf:

Okay, so apparently there has been some tension in the Critical Role fandom and some comments made in the last few days. I haven’t been able to find the exact tweets or posts being referenced, but I do have some words.

The popular idea on this site seems to be that something or someone has to be 100% perfect or unproblematic at all the times, which is incredibly toxic and harmful. No one has ever been 100% unproblematic ever in their life and no one ever will be. If you think you are, take a couple of steps back and reevaluate that, buddy. 

As a non-binary trans/pansexual person, the amount of personal validation I’ve gotten from watching Critical Role has been more than I ever expected. There are so many characters on CR that are either not straight or not cis and it just blows my mind how amazing they all are. J’mon Sa Ord is a character who is a KICK ASS DRAGON and ruler of a major city that they founded and continue to protect up into present-day canon. They have immense respect from literally everyone and they kick ass on a regular basis. That they even exist means the world to me as a nonbinary person. 

Yes, there have been some flubs along the way with some things. Fun fact however, you don’t go through anything without making mistakes. And without going into every little thing the cast/Matt has been dragged through the mud over, I think the representation on the show was good, and it all came from a place of wanting to do good. No one comes out of the gate making everyone happy or without making mistakes. Veteran content creators don’t always get it right, and especially not in the eyes of every consumer. What really and truly matters is that you try and you learn, and that is absolutely what those on CR have done. 

And remember, it is possible to be a fan of something and still be critical of it. In fact, I would encourage that. But the hate-mail and and this general idea that it’s okay to shit on these real-life people needs to stop. 

At the end of the day, this is a show of people improvising storylines that are fun for them. And if we keep flinging shit at all of them whenever something isn’t 100% perfectly unproblematic (as if such a thing exists), it might stop being fun for them and the general attitude becomes why even bother trying if everyone’s just going to be angry anyway.

Also, some veeeeery late game satisfaction in Matt admitting he’s been stanning for bards and the power of story telling all his life :))) Kind of projecting some things onto Scanlan because of that :)))))))) I know :)))))))

Response to a different post.

arkhamarchitecture:

vengefulkyle:

Sure, why not, I’ll take a crack at this nonsense. I don’t dislike Keyleth for existing. I have issue with Keyleth because she brings about confrontation for ridiculous reasons.

Because she never seems to grow as a character and her behavior is almost never informed by past lessons.

Because she has a constant and nonsensical sense of self-loathing for herself and the actions of her companions that brings down any mood and makes her the center of attention.

Because she takes the adverse opinion on almost every situation despite their being no need.

Because despite being a character who is growing out of her shell, she’s constantly showing off.

Because she comes to insane conclusions for the sake of derailing drama, like in the case of her mother’s death and her belief that she’s alive.

These sort of gripes are not because of Keyleth’s gender, they’re because of her behavior, which is grating no matter what she is. If any of the other companions acted this way so often, the reaction would be the same. Vax’s mopiness drove people up a wall until he grew as a character. 

This idea that the opinions of a part of a fandom who deride a character are dismissed because of a -perceived and not at all proven- viewpoint that such opinions are painted with outside influences like misogyny is insanity. 

this is not the worst post i’ve ever seen about keyleth but it’s fuckin’ up there and i don’t normally respond to shit like this because everybody’s entitled to their opinions but when your opinions are based on entirely incorrect shit, i gotta have a go.

Because she never seems to grow as a character and her behavior is almost never informed by past lessons.

Because despite being a character who is growing out of her shell, she’s constantly showing off.

These are contradictory statements. Make up your mind. Is Keyleth never growing at all or is she slowly growing out of her shell, learning to be a more personable person? Keyleth has one of the biggest character arcs in the game but people assume she didn’t grow or change as a person because her arc was spread out across 115 episodes instead of crammed into a single storyline like Vex or Percy or even Vax’s story. Keyleth grows as a person from being someone who lets the group just walk all over her and being too shy and timid to take a stand about her beliefs into being someone who stands up for what’s right and tries to be a leader – even if she doesn’t always succeed.

And Keyleth doesn’t “show off” as much as she tries to defuse awkward situations by derailing them. This doesn’t work much and I find it a little embarrassing but it’s not “showing off.” Keyleth’s powerful. If you consider any use of her power to be showing off then I don’t know what to tell you. Percy shows off constantly because he’s a vain jackass. Scanlan shows off constantly because he’s a showman at heart. Vax is constantly showing off because he’s OP as hell. Why are you taking issue with Keyleth but not them?

Because she has a constant and nonsensical sense of self-loathing for herself and the actions of her companions that brings down any mood and makes her the center of attention.

Nobody’s ever allowed to have low self-esteem? Keyleth has the weight of her entire tribe on her shoulders and that’s before you get into the stress of being expected to save the world again and again, combined with the fact that she knows she’s fucked up in big ways (killed a kid pre-stream, for one thing) leads to her constantly feeling like she’s unable and unworthy to fulfill all the expectations placed on her.

You might as well argue that Percy’s constant self-derision and insistence that he’s a huge asshole and a monster is him making himself the center of attention and “bringing down the mood.” Or Vax constantly calling himself a fuck up who doesn’t know anything. If you’re not prepared to argue that, maybe you should consider why it bothers you from Keyleth but not Percy or Vax.

Because she takes the adverse opinion on almost every situation despite their being no need.

You mean like all those times that VM is about to do something really morally questionable??? I know a lot of people play D&D like murderhobos who just do whatever they fucking want but Matt’s got a real narrative here and there are consequences to people’s actions. Keyleth has every reason to say “hold on, I don’t think making a deal with the Clasp is a good idea,” because that’s a serious conversation worth having and debating. Or – actually I can’t really think of any other good examples of genuine moral quandaries on the show where Keyleth disagreed with the party? 

She was completely correct to be upset about Tiberius hacksawing an old lady and Percy yelling about how someone’s soul is forfeit. Those are fucked up things that happened and the party agreed completely when she brought it up. That’s not an argument or an adverse opinion, that’s “WHOA maybe we should be a little less murderhobo-y, okay guys?” and the party went “Shit, you’re right, our bad.”

Because she comes to insane conclusions for the sake of derailing drama, like in the case of her mother’s death and her belief that she’s alive.

First of all, Keyleth literally didn’t do this. Keyleth didn’t think her mother was alive. She mentioned it was a possibility but she wasn’t actually expecting it to be true (you can tell because Keyleth has very little reaction to the confirmation that her mother is dead) and in fact Marisha pointed out that Keyleth didn’t actually want her mother to be alive (because then there’d be the inevitable question of “why didn’t you come home?”) but didn’t feel comfortable saying that out loud because it was a little fucked up and she knew it.

I’m also not even clear on how that would be “derailing drama” if she had done that. It was her story arc. Surely the bigger drama would have been if her mother had been alive and they’d had to have a confrontation of some kind???

In summary: All of your complaints about Keyleth are either things she genuinely doesn’t do or things that every other character in the party does on the regular as well.

You can dislike a character! That’s cool! I dislike Vax a lot of the time (not because of his mopiness, as you seem to think) but I don’t make up shit out of thin air to be mad at him for, nor do I fault him for things I’m okay with other characters doing. You can also dislike a character for no reason at all – maybe they just don’t vibe with you – and that’s completely fine.

But maybe it’s worth examining why the things that irritate you about Keyleth don’t irritate you when male characters do the exact same thing and why people feel more comfortable screaming at Marisha than they do screaming at Liam or Taliesin or Sam.

pagerunner-j:

As many things as I like about the Critical Role comics, and there are many, there’s something that keeps bothering me:

Could we let the women talk? Please?

We were promised Keyleth this issue. She spent a good chunk of it either non-verbal or off-camera. Most of the dialogue was right back to “hey, watch me being witty!” and the majority of that went to men. Vex is mostly coming off as annoyed-sibling and while the banter’s good by one light, the scenes feel Vax-slanted enough to me that there’s this creeping undertone of nagging there, and I don’t love it. I also still don’t love that last issue, one of the few women who got to talk didn’t even get a name. (The new faces this time didn’t either, although I expect more will be revealed.)

One of the reasons I love Critical Role is that while yes, as usual, the women are outnumbered, they still matter. But the comics feel tilted in the guys’ favor enough that it’s making me twitch.*

end vent.

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*No pun intended.

Yeeeaaaah, the way the sibling dynamic and really, Vex’s existence has been handled so far has bothered me since day one. Shows that someone can talk the talk about being inclusive like Colville does frequently, but still kind of fail to walk the walk. Too bad.

arkhamarchitecture:

out-there-on-the-maroon:

vohalika:

pagerunner-j:

vohalika:

pagerunner-j:

(Fair warning: it’s been a day and I am tired, so I am not guaranteeing spotlessly outlined and supported discourse here, but have some thoughts anyway .:)

Today I saw a post going around in explanation & support of the prevalence of slash writing/reading amongst women in fandom, and I understood a lot of what it was getting at. I’ve written more than enough of it myself to spend half of the essay kind of wryly nodding along. Tangentially, though, it also made me marvel again at how in Critical Role circles, so many people jumped right on board with the Percy/Vex relationship even if slash was usually their thing. It pretty clearly made a difference that this show had a vibrant, interesting, engaging female character involved, whose ownership of her own sexuality (often kind of a loaded phrase, especially when it’s getting thrown around by male writers) was not only confident and take-charge but downright playful. She was evidently enjoying herself, and so was Percy, and it’s amazing how much such a simple thing helps. But what I think is also interesting, and somewhat unique to the circumstances of the show, is that this came out of a collaborative creative exercise. This wasn’t the result of a single author’s idea or fantasy; this wasn’t something you could say was an exclusive product of either the male or female gaze. This was the work of two people who both brought things to the story and supported each other’s arcs in general along with the relationship specifically. And it showed. I think some of that mutual effort even sneaked into the characterization despite themselves, which is to say “despite Taliesin’s tendency to shit-talk Percy every chance he gets.” 😉 (Compare any of those comments to how Percy acted with Vex when it really mattered. Specifically, when it really mattered to her.) To borrow a quote, they really did fill in each other’s gaps in a lot of ways. 

And then in the face of all that you got fans saying things aloud like “omg, I actually care about a het relationship, what the hell” and I’m still sitting here thinking, “It’s funny how that actually can work when the character dynamics aren’t completely fucked up, isn’t it…”

(There’s probably a related conversation to be had about Vaxleth, how that developed, and the amount of attention it got, especially in relation to how attached – in a much more typical way – fandom got to the idea of Vax and Gilmore, but again I say “I am tired” and will save that one for later. 🙂

What was the rule again? The amount of slash produced for any given fandom is inversely proportional to the percentage of engaging and complex female characters? Hence why most anime fandoms are full of slash, and critical role kind of isn’t….

I’ve been thinking about this a lot, too. Like, every now and then someone new wanders into the tag, probably coming from a slash-writing or -reading background themselves, looks around, and is like, “wait a second, why are all the most popular pairings het? Why is no one shipping Percy and Vax? This fandom is weird.”

Which really, really just goes to illustrate, like you pointed out, how rare it is to have a complex, playful, and sexy dynamic with a female character who has actual agency in it. Suddenly the het-ness doesn’t even matter, the ship is just so much fun.

(Also Percy will forever exist in the conflict between Taliesin convincing himself Percy’s a bad person, while also doing everything in his power to make sure Vex gets the focus and attention she deserves. People in general and Taliesin in particular seem to think we’re all just liking Percy because we’re conditioned to like fucked up, tragic, revenge-obsessed assholes and overlook their every flaw. Fuck that noise. We like Percy because of the way he got over his shit and the way he treated Vex.)

Quoting for commentary, especially that last bit.

And quite honestly, if we were in an alternate universe where Vex wasn’t around (which would be tragic) or was into someone else (I could absolutely get on board with Vex/Zahra, or even Vex/Keyleth, especially since Kiki clearly has a crush), I might have ended up shipping Percy and Vax, too. It would be a frequently explosive mess, but at least it would be interesting. And Vax has made more than enough comments about Percy’s good looks to make it plausible from that angle. Chalk it up to the twins having similar taste, I suppose. 😉

But still, I’m glad we got what we did. I am so, so glad we got what we did. I fell in love with the idea early on, but was so afraid I was just letting my little shipper heart run away with me that I spent weeks talking myself down so I wouldn’t get disappointed, or so I wouldn’t tread on anyone’s toes. I sat on my hands and kept my mouth shut for as long as I could stand it. Then everything happened. EVERYTHING. And I am still so glad.

Oh, for sure, Perc’ildan is hot, and Vex goes well with just about anyone. That’s another fandom peculiarity. Under normal circumstances, Vex or Vax would be the fandom bicycles. They are just the most shippable – except for the fact that, despite Game of Thrones’s solid effort for the better part of this decade, moooost of us are still not down with twincest, whereas Percy is extremely shippable with both. So he’s the bicycle.

…It doesn’t help that at this point, everyone in the main cast has hit on him in some form. They made him their own bicycle. Wheee. Minus Keyleth. Percy and Keyleth are even less shippable than the twins. All of the social dynamics of incest, none of the kinkyness.

Ahem. Well, I was lucky(?) enough to only be drawn into this fandom after Percy’s first death. When a friend of mine ( @actualinspectorkemp, you know who you are :P) dragged me into this by pointing at the possible Perc’ahlia yelling YOU WOULD SO TOTALLY SHIP THIS. So I only started watching after I knew Percy would survive and what, ah, transpired during his resurrection ritual 😀 still, those 3-10 weeks until they ACTUALLY hooked up were a bit nerve wracking.

Minus Keyleth. Percy and Keyleth are even less shippable than the twins. All of the social dynamics of incest, none of the kinkyness. 

??? I question this assertion. For the first major chunk of the show I was shipping Percy/Keyleth pretty hard. They have their fans too. It’s not a popular ship but I wouldn’t say it’s like, unshippable by any means. (Can we really say anything is unshippable these days? As you said, incest has surges of popularity in various fandoms. People ship stuff just for fun, or based on nothing at all, or because they think the characters are hot.) Considering that Vax point-blank told Percy to look out for Keyleth after he was gone, there’s a nice foundation for something post-show if one so desires.

Percy and Keyleth were very good friends, especially early on before the Briarwoods stuff, they were socially awkward nobility together. They were science buddies, creating the Diplomacy glove together. People have shipped things based on far less. Hell people ship ships based on blatantly unhealthy dynamics (lord knows I do, all the damn time.) What’s wrong with shipping a pair of good friends who have things in common? It’s SWEET. It’s NICE. 

Since when does a friendship mean pseudo incest?! 

Yeeeeeah, sorry I know this is derailing from Page’s original point but as somebody who ships Percleth with my whole heart, I’m pretty fucking confused at the idea that they’re somehow less shippable than twincest.

They’re friends. They’re not siblings. They’re not related at all. Stop calling close friendships pseudo-incest.

(Also confused about the suggestion that it’s Game of Thrones that’s been trying to make fandoms okay with incest. I envy you for apparently sleeping through the entirety of the Supernatural fandom but that shit’s been on for loooooong time)

Oh gods, what have I done here. In case you haven’t seen my response to Maroon, that was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek thesis on why the ship has so little content. I did not intend to start any shit, ship war, or even judge anyone who does like it, and am sorry to have insulted anyone. It always felt very much like a sibling dynamic to me, and I assumed that’s why it never got much traction in general, and that’s what I was trying to say. Poorly, apparently.

Also yes, I am aware it was not Game of Thrones that started making people ship incest. I just happen to come from a community where we make fun of the show a lot, and part of that is how they turned the very abusive twincest relationship from the books into a somewhat disturbingly positively framed power couple – so a main stream show basically condoning incest. I did in fact avoid Supernatural like the plague because I can’t stand brother who is not Dean in this but Dean in Gilmore Girls, but spent enough time in several anime fandoms to know incest was a thing long before GoT came on the air. It was less of a suggestion and more of a joke. A poorly perceived one, evidently, again, and I am sorry.

out-there-on-the-maroon:

vohalika:

pagerunner-j:

vohalika:

pagerunner-j:

(Fair warning: it’s been a day and I am tired, so I am not guaranteeing spotlessly outlined and supported discourse here, but have some thoughts anyway .:)

Today I saw a post going around in explanation & support of the prevalence of slash writing/reading amongst women in fandom, and I understood a lot of what it was getting at. I’ve written more than enough of it myself to spend half of the essay kind of wryly nodding along. Tangentially, though, it also made me marvel again at how in Critical Role circles, so many people jumped right on board with the Percy/Vex relationship even if slash was usually their thing. It pretty clearly made a difference that this show had a vibrant, interesting, engaging female character involved, whose ownership of her own sexuality (often kind of a loaded phrase, especially when it’s getting thrown around by male writers) was not only confident and take-charge but downright playful. She was evidently enjoying herself, and so was Percy, and it’s amazing how much such a simple thing helps. But what I think is also interesting, and somewhat unique to the circumstances of the show, is that this came out of a collaborative creative exercise. This wasn’t the result of a single author’s idea or fantasy; this wasn’t something you could say was an exclusive product of either the male or female gaze. This was the work of two people who both brought things to the story and supported each other’s arcs in general along with the relationship specifically. And it showed. I think some of that mutual effort even sneaked into the characterization despite themselves, which is to say “despite Taliesin’s tendency to shit-talk Percy every chance he gets.” 😉 (Compare any of those comments to how Percy acted with Vex when it really mattered. Specifically, when it really mattered to her.) To borrow a quote, they really did fill in each other’s gaps in a lot of ways. 

And then in the face of all that you got fans saying things aloud like “omg, I actually care about a het relationship, what the hell” and I’m still sitting here thinking, “It’s funny how that actually can work when the character dynamics aren’t completely fucked up, isn’t it…”

(There’s probably a related conversation to be had about Vaxleth, how that developed, and the amount of attention it got, especially in relation to how attached – in a much more typical way – fandom got to the idea of Vax and Gilmore, but again I say “I am tired” and will save that one for later. 🙂

What was the rule again? The amount of slash produced for any given fandom is inversely proportional to the percentage of engaging and complex female characters? Hence why most anime fandoms are full of slash, and critical role kind of isn’t….

I’ve been thinking about this a lot, too. Like, every now and then someone new wanders into the tag, probably coming from a slash-writing or -reading background themselves, looks around, and is like, “wait a second, why are all the most popular pairings het? Why is no one shipping Percy and Vax? This fandom is weird.”

Which really, really just goes to illustrate, like you pointed out, how rare it is to have a complex, playful, and sexy dynamic with a female character who has actual agency in it. Suddenly the het-ness doesn’t even matter, the ship is just so much fun.

(Also Percy will forever exist in the conflict between Taliesin convincing himself Percy’s a bad person, while also doing everything in his power to make sure Vex gets the focus and attention she deserves. People in general and Taliesin in particular seem to think we’re all just liking Percy because we’re conditioned to like fucked up, tragic, revenge-obsessed assholes and overlook their every flaw. Fuck that noise. We like Percy because of the way he got over his shit and the way he treated Vex.)

Quoting for commentary, especially that last bit.

And quite honestly, if we were in an alternate universe where Vex wasn’t around (which would be tragic) or was into someone else (I could absolutely get on board with Vex/Zahra, or even Vex/Keyleth, especially since Kiki clearly has a crush), I might have ended up shipping Percy and Vax, too. It would be a frequently explosive mess, but at least it would be interesting. And Vax has made more than enough comments about Percy’s good looks to make it plausible from that angle. Chalk it up to the twins having similar taste, I suppose. 😉

But still, I’m glad we got what we did. I am so, so glad we got what we did. I fell in love with the idea early on, but was so afraid I was just letting my little shipper heart run away with me that I spent weeks talking myself down so I wouldn’t get disappointed, or so I wouldn’t tread on anyone’s toes. I sat on my hands and kept my mouth shut for as long as I could stand it. Then everything happened. EVERYTHING. And I am still so glad.

Oh, for sure, Perc’ildan is hot, and Vex goes well with just about anyone. That’s another fandom peculiarity. Under normal circumstances, Vex or Vax would be the fandom bicycles. They are just the most shippable – except for the fact that, despite Game of Thrones’s solid effort for the better part of this decade, moooost of us are still not down with twincest, whereas Percy is extremely shippable with both. So he’s the bicycle.

…It doesn’t help that at this point, everyone in the main cast has hit on him in some form. They made him their own bicycle. Wheee. Minus Keyleth. Percy and Keyleth are even less shippable than the twins. All of the social dynamics of incest, none of the kinkyness.

Ahem. Well, I was lucky(?) enough to only be drawn into this fandom after Percy’s first death. When a friend of mine ( @actualinspectorkemp, you know who you are :P) dragged me into this by pointing at the possible Perc’ahlia yelling YOU WOULD SO TOTALLY SHIP THIS. So I only started watching after I knew Percy would survive and what, ah, transpired during his resurrection ritual 😀 still, those 3-10 weeks until they ACTUALLY hooked up were a bit nerve wracking.

Minus Keyleth. Percy and Keyleth are even less shippable than the twins. All of the social dynamics of incest, none of the kinkyness. 

??? I question this assertion. For the first major chunk of the show I was shipping Percy/Keyleth pretty hard. They have their fans too. It’s not a popular ship but I wouldn’t say it’s like, unshippable by any means. (Can we really say anything is unshippable these days? As you said, incest has surges of popularity in various fandoms. People ship stuff just for fun, or based on nothing at all, or because they think the characters are hot.) Considering that Vax point-blank told Percy to look out for Keyleth after he was gone, there’s a nice foundation for something post-show if one so desires.

Percy and Keyleth were very good friends, especially early on before the Briarwoods stuff, they were socially awkward nobility together. They were science buddies, creating the Diplomacy glove together. People have shipped things based on far less. Hell people ship ships based on blatantly unhealthy dynamics (lord knows I do, all the damn time.) What’s wrong with shipping a pair of good friends who have things in common? It’s SWEET. It’s NICE. 

Since when does a friendship mean pseudo incest?! 

Aw shit, I’m sorry. This was just my tongue-in-cheek thesis on why that ship seems to be the least popular of the het ships so far, and not inteded to, you know, judge anyone who likes it.

Like, to me, their friendship always felt like just that, a very close friendship, more like siblings than anything that could ever turn romantic. There’s nothing WRONG with shipping it, and I never meant to imply that there was, it just always felt completely unromantic to me, and judging from the amount of content, or lack thereof, this ship has, I assumed other people feel the same. If you like it, or anyone else, more power to you. Just not my cup of tea. Didn’t mean to start a ship war or anything here, or insult anyone, I’m sorry.