pagerunner-j:

(Fair warning: it’s been a day and I am tired, so I am not guaranteeing spotlessly outlined and supported discourse here, but have some thoughts anyway .:)

Today I saw a post going around in explanation & support of the prevalence of slash writing/reading amongst women in fandom, and I understood a lot of what it was getting at. I’ve written more than enough of it myself to spend half of the essay kind of wryly nodding along. Tangentially, though, it also made me marvel again at how in Critical Role circles, so many people jumped right on board with the Percy/Vex relationship even if slash was usually their thing. It pretty clearly made a difference that this show had a vibrant, interesting, engaging female character involved, whose ownership of her own sexuality (often kind of a loaded phrase, especially when it’s getting thrown around by male writers) was not only confident and take-charge but downright playful. She was evidently enjoying herself, and so was Percy, and it’s amazing how much such a simple thing helps. But what I think is also interesting, and somewhat unique to the circumstances of the show, is that this came out of a collaborative creative exercise. This wasn’t the result of a single author’s idea or fantasy; this wasn’t something you could say was an exclusive product of either the male or female gaze. This was the work of two people who both brought things to the story and supported each other’s arcs in general along with the relationship specifically. And it showed. I think some of that mutual effort even sneaked into the characterization despite themselves, which is to say “despite Taliesin’s tendency to shit-talk Percy every chance he gets.” 😉 (Compare any of those comments to how Percy acted with Vex when it really mattered. Specifically, when it really mattered to her.) To borrow a quote, they really did fill in each other’s gaps in a lot of ways. 

And then in the face of all that you got fans saying things aloud like “omg, I actually care about a het relationship, what the hell” and I’m still sitting here thinking, “It’s funny how that actually can work when the character dynamics aren’t completely fucked up, isn’t it…”

(There’s probably a related conversation to be had about Vaxleth, how that developed, and the amount of attention it got, especially in relation to how attached – in a much more typical way – fandom got to the idea of Vax and Gilmore, but again I say “I am tired” and will save that one for later. 🙂

What was the rule again? The amount of slash produced for any given fandom is inversely proportional to the percentage of engaging and complex female characters? Hence why most anime fandoms are full of slash, and critical role kind of isn’t….

I’ve been thinking about this a lot, too. Like, every now and then someone new wanders into the tag, probably coming from a slash-writing or -reading background themselves, looks around, and is like, “wait a second, why are all the most popular pairings het? Why is no one shipping Percy and Vax? This fandom is weird.”

Which really, really just goes to illustrate, like you pointed out, how rare it is to have a complex, playful, and sexy dynamic with a female character who has actual agency in it. Suddenly the het-ness doesn’t even matter, the ship is just so much fun.

(Also Percy will forever exist in the conflict between Taliesin convincing himself Percy’s a bad person, while also doing everything in his power to make sure Vex gets the focus and attention she deserves. People in general and Taliesin in particular seem to think we’re all just liking Percy because we’re conditioned to like fucked up, tragic, revenge-obsessed assholes and overlook their every flaw. Fuck that noise. We like Percy because of the way he got over his shit and the way he treated Vex.)

So about that One Shot…

(I am officially borrowing the cr wank tag now. No more individual discourse tags, woohoo. Blacklist that if you can’t stand my rants.)

Man. I don’t
even like discourse that much. I’d much rather be bitching about Vax and the CR
ending right now. But this has been a little… Disturbing.

So, to sum
it up, what are people upset about? (All of this is within the context of a
D&D game, mind you).

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A
grown woman in sort of a position of power propositioning several tied up
12-year olds for a sexual relationship.

What are
people not upset about here?

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The
general raunchiness of the oneshot in question

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Amy
Vorpal being the most horrible person to ever walk this planet

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Amy
Vorpal casually supporting pedophilia in her downtime

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The
moral and ethical downfall of society because of a joke gone wrong

The literal
only issue people have here that in a game that was already raunchy – it’s Sam,
what are you gonna do – someone asked a group of tied up kids around the age of
12 whether they’d consider a sexual relationship.

And before
someone yells about context; the age of the Lost Boys had been established
several times before that line happened. Now, okay, the OS in and of itself was
a little chaotic with personalities clashing and not always paying as much
attention to Sam or the other players as they should have. But the age of these
kids was mentioned. Several times. Before Amy made that joke.

Which, by
the way, also seemed to upset a few of the players, particularly Stephanie and
Molly who then spent the rest of the session making sure the Queen never got
close to these children again, while the whole incident kind of remained a
running gag.

Now, you
know, even without the current political climate being what it is, if you are
generally okay with the concept of there being lines you should not cross,
yeah, uh, this was one of them. And even if it weren’t, if a sizeable number of
people are upset by something, the first reaction being yelling at them that
they shouldn’t be, especially with such a sensitive topic, is, you know, kind
of a dick move.

And just to
indulge the whataboutism that sprung up around this…

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But
what about fetch me a young boy/teenage assholes?

Context, is
the thing. The young boy comment was about Grog and/or Scanlan trying to find a
messenger boy for something completely innocuous. The teenage assholes was
something Taliesin said when describing Percy’s level of maturity and general
disposition. The joke here was the poor phrasing. Not the fact that anyone was
actually propositioning minors for sexual activities
or their assholes in any
way. In context, the Queen of Hearts asking tied up twelve year olds whether
they’d be interested in a sexual relationship with her is still just exactly
that.

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But
what about Grog and Scanlan going whoring?

Pretty sure
the sex workers involved there at any point were consenting adults. Unless you
subscribe to the school of thoughts that sex workers can never consent under
any circumstances, in which case, this is really not the discussion we should
be having here.

(Also plenty of people frequently bring this up and are upset)

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But
what about Scanlan’s general creepiness?

Okay, so, I’ll
be the first person to say that some people around here have the tendency of painting
Scanlan as an innocent little cinnamon roll who could do no wrong and we don’t
talk about the modify memory, but there are also just about as many people who
have always complained when he crossed a line. Like. In what universe were people
NOT upset about him forcing Kima to look at his dick? In what universe are
people not violently against Pikelan because of what transpired prior during
their relationship?
Not in this tag, that’s for sure.
And – and I can’t believe I’m saying this, you guys are making me defend
Scanlan, what the fuck – in this case, the creepiness died down as a point of
character development. Sam and Scanlan actively got over this issue and
apologized for it.
It was part of a longform narrative. And also any and all
predatory behavior was directed at women above the age of consent who were
perfectly capable of smacking him around. And did just that.

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But
Sexism! You only complain because a woman is doing it! See also Trish the Dish
raping Tary! Vex assaulting Percy with her nakedness!

Yeah, uh, uhm. Okay. So I’m not one to dismiss the accusation of sexism in fandom lightly. Like,
at all. Some of y’all’s comments about the validity of Vex’s and Percy’s early
relationship being somewhat lessened due to the fact that they were fucking like
rabbits were definitely that. But the thing is, I remember just as many, if not
more, people calling the other people out on their shit. Not to mention that,
again, enthusiastically consenting adults.

And while
there was a lot of discourse surrounding Tary’s one night stand with Trish,
most of that was about the general handling of Tary’s sexuality, the other’s
insensitivity about that, the uncomfortable associations that scenario brought
about… Consent was debated a ton here, and there were indeed voices pointing
out that nope, Tary did definitely consent here, that is not the issue. The
issue was the plotline existing to begin with. I’m personally ambivalent about
that, seen it resonate with a few gay men, but on a list of things people were
upset about, Trish being a rapist was like. Looooow on the list. And they were
called out for that.

(And again.
No one involved was around 12 years old.)

Also, while
we’re on the subject of sexism, the Queen of Hearts was entirely based around
the joke that she liked tiny men in bed while being an aggressive woman, both
sexually and in general. Also making her kingdom bigger or something. And that
is basically all there was to her character. Haha, how funny. She is a woman.
Who is aggressive. If you wanna call sexism somewhere, I’m going to
whataboutism you right back at the character we are talking about here.

Another
thing: So, what have people been doing here, really? Has anyone lit up the
torches, grabbed the pitchforks and led a mob to Amy Vorpal’s doorstep? Called
for boycotting her work? Written a strongly worded letter? Worst I’ve seen are some concerned tweets, and
not very many, that Amy even seemed to agree with? The cast has faced worse for
Scanlan not being on the campaign guide cover. Marisha gets worse than that for
even existing.

So… People
are taking issue with people taking issue with someone asking tied up twelve
year-olds for a sexual relationship
. Not even over people hounding the actress
for an insensitive off-color joke that got a little too far. Just… Being
upset. At pedophilic implications. Is that even a word? It should be.

returnofismasm:

Boy oh boy, I’ve been sitting on this for awhile, and certain events of yesterday made it hit a boiling point.  Note for the interested:  Cherrypicking someone’s posts to demonize them is kind of douche-y, especially when they’re trying to have a dialogue and you derailed it to do so.  Cool?  Cool.

I have been deeply, deeply frustrated by the way the fanbase and sometimes even the narrative have treated Scanlan, especially in regard to some of the, shall we say, unsavory things he’s done.  Now, I’m tagging this “Scanlan Shorthalt critical”, “cr wank” and “cr fandom critical” and putting the relevant venting behind a cut, to do my best to get this off my chest without bothering people who just want to enjoy our gnome bard in peace.  

Okay, here we go!

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