smoggyfogbottom said:                                            
                                               
                               It could be something simpler than that
though since this isn’t just a narrative, but also a D&D game – I
know that when I DM if a player has their character act out a certain
way I try to have things in the world react in a way that validates
their role playing. example, scanlan is depressed/feeling useless, matt
makes him one of the most important figures in finally banishing vecna. I
suppose this is meta reasoning for what happened, but that’s my initial
thought.                             

…Because Scanlan was so useless in the last fight against Vecna, is always completely irrelevant to any and all combat encounters, and his depression was totes tied to how people didn’t appreciate his songs and battle skills before. Never has he ever influenced the outcome of a battle, and it was barely even noticed when his skill pool wasn’t available.

If you want to see validating the players, look at the “never forget how important you are to them” line, which could have come from any and all gods ever. Scanlan explicitly complained about only being valued for his skills and combat abilities before, what he needs is social validation. Which he could have gotten from any god.

Also Matt is absolutely not the kind of DM to sacrifice the narrative to validate his players… In ways they don’t even need validation in.

calevmir

calevmir

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                   peristurmkrahe…”

                       An entire corps of rifleman is not using three
musktets. Percy had to have built more. And it’s mechanically true that
Percy’s guns are superior. Bad News deals 2d12 damage and the closest
Ripley could get was 2d10.                   

Building a gun takes half a year. Percy gave us a laundry list of what he did over the break, guns were not included. He hasn’t built a single gun since Bad News, just maybe imporved a little upon Ripley’s guns. And there were so many of those that Scanlan taking one wasn’t immediately obvious.

And if anything, the fact that there is a tiny corps of riflemen now furthermore countrs towards the fact that the guns aren’t even a secret anymore. What point are you trying to make here? Is it wrong that the guns exist? Yes, Percy thinks so, too. Hence why he wanted to keep it to himself and only started arming his own people after Ripley had already gone and sold the schematics to the world and only for defense in case of dragon-induced apokalypse. Is it wrong that he tried to keep the gun thing a secret or contained? Well, Ioun is certainly not one to make dangerous knowledge freely accessible to the world, so judging Percy for doing the same is hypocritical.

calevmir

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                   peristurmkrahe
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   The secret is guns. It’s that he insist no one else can have them
and then he arms his citoes guard with them he’s giving Whitestone a
drastic military advantage for the next 50 to 100 years.   

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                   peristurmkrahe
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   And that is a much more powerful secret than Scanlans. Scanlan’s
secrets affect him and those around him. Percy’s secrets affect the
entire Prime Material Plane.   

Whitestone, Ank’Harel, and whereever else the information of the guns has been leaked to. It’s not a secret anymore, Ripley made sure of that. And Ioun acrted like keeping the guns a secret was the problem, instead of sharing them with the world. The guns the Whitestone military has are the ones Ripley made. She sold several of them, too, they’re around. They don’t qualify as a secret anymore, despite all of his intentions to keep them contained – that were apparently bad, according to Ioun.

peristurmkrahe

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                       Mabe Percy’s problem is the the contract?  

But that’s not a secret. And the explicit reason for rejecting him was that he likes to keep secrets.                

You’re criticisms of critical role have gone from somewhat insightful to just complaining about choices you disagree with. I don’t always think Matt or the players make the best call but I also acknowledge that they are in the situation while we view it. Honestly I followed this blog because I thought you had some interesting thoughts but I’m here to enjoy a good show, not pick it apart from the seams.

Hey, I am also here to enjoy a good show. That show just has disappointed me recently with things I don’t believe make sense, and because I WANT it to be good and make sense I think about how it might. And I really, really want to believe there is a plan that goes beyond “uuuh, bard, storyteller, knowledge, secrets bad, but only when it’s Percy having them!”

And also, this was not a mishap under pressure. Not a rule fumble. This was a long-standing plan and did not come down to a call on a time limit.

Part of my enjoyment of things comes from analyzing them. If my particular way of doing that is not for you, well, I don’t know what to tell you, anon, I hope you find better blogs to follow?

2, 3, 4 & 6 for the critical questions!

2. Which episode is your least favorite? Why?

27 for all the aggression and uncomfortable-ness at the table. I’m also not really fond of the Underdark arc in general, and have watched it too few times to really be able to tell the episodes apart. I can’t think of any other specific episodes I dislike, though, but I will say that I prefer plot over shenanigans, so 26 and 36 aren’t that high up in my list either.

3. Who is your favorite main player character?

Vex! Vex is love, Vex is life, Vex is also basically what I want to be when I grow up. Percy is very consistently in second place, the order after that depends on who died that week or how much hate Marisha is getting again.

4. Who is your favorite guest player character?

Oh boy. Uh. Well. Sprigg was great, but I’m going to wait for how that plays out before giving him a place on the list. Lionel is up there. Kash and Zahra don’t even count the same way Gilmore and Viktor don’t count for favorite NPC. I will say that I have a weak spot for Shale. There are too few badass sassy old ladies out there.

6. Who would you like to see guest on the show?

Well, I mean, Lin Manuel Miranda is an obvious choice. As is Stephen Colbert. Who I am impatiently waiting for though is Jennifer Hale, voice of fem!Shep and Krem and guest star on All Work, No Play, and someone who has been talking with Matt on twitter about finally getting a part. I like her voice a lot.

returnofismasm:

agnesgoesadventuring:

vohalika:

So according to Darin, the only reason Sprigg figured he had a connection to Scanlan was because of the both being gnomes part, and halfway through he realized that the real connection was kind of happening with Keyleth. He didn’t mention Ioun once during that explanation.

Seems like we again overestimated the amount of planning Matt includes the other players in. That probably also means that the nicknames were Darin’s own opinions on the characters from the way he watched the show and don’t necessarily reflect how Matt thinks about them. Oh well. More than another week to stew on this.

@returnofismasm

You’re braver than I am to talk about this, I know some people are upset

Why are people upset?

A lot of people were hoping there was more to Scanlan and Sprigg than “we’re both gnomes” so they were bummed that’s all it was.

Eh, more like people took Sprigg talking to Scanlan as a sign that Scanlan was meant to be Ioun’s champion, and assume that if that is out the window, Scanlan won’t get a godly patron, for some reason.

returnofismasm

You’re braver than I am to talk about this, I know some people are upset

I figured they would be, but apparently not in the main tag? In any case, I have written like two and a half essays on the subject, but I’ll say that the only convincing arguments for Scanlan to Ioun’s champion were the random magical item Tibs talked him into taking and Sprigg’s existence. Even the Ioun puzzle for his vestige was nooot exactly solved by him. So unless it’s an “Earthis called dibs” situation (which after the campaign guide, she actualy might have on Scanlan at this point), Percy not getting the championship in favor of Scanlan at this point will be… Well. Unseeded and kind of forced, imho.

pagerunner-j:

I saw a couple comments today from people who felt like Percy’s had too much focus in the CR storyline already, particularly as compared to Scanlan, and I admittedly sighed a bit, although I also had Thoughts. To back up and kinda process them:

– Everyone at the table started with well-drawn characters, but going from those original intro bits, Percy clearly had the most narrative baked in from day one. Taliesin didn’t force it when it came to gameplay; it was there in the backstory and could have stayed there forever, un-investigated in favor of other quests. But Matt took it and ran with it, because let’s be honest, it was interesting, and a great excuse for him to build out that chunk of the world. You can’t really blame him for grabbing that particular gun off the mantel. You can observe, fairly, that not too many of the players put one that shiny up there to play with in the first place.

– On that note, it’s still kind of ironic that Scanlan’s big blowup centered on the other characters not caring about his personal life, because it may have been true, but a lot of that’s on him for not sharing. And I’m honestly still curious how much of that was a long-term in-character choice, and how much of it developed at a meta level because of planning decisions one way or another on Sam’s part. Scanlan wasn’t always played terribly seriously (let’s not forget that his character origin was basically “how do I make the most ridiculous character ever? Okay: GNOME BARD!”), and the path forward from that and into more serious matters could easily have been “we never delved into more than this. Well, let’s make the issue be the fact that we never delved into this.” Either way, Scanlan became a meatier character (ahem) later in the game, but in the earlier stretches there was simply less to build from, and especially in a group that big and that busy, you’ve also got to assume that everyone’s going to go for the big, shiny plot points and that more subtle matters or unspoken problems won’t really get noticed.

– In comparison, Tary got more character development in a handful of episodes than Scanlan got over much longer chunks of time, because everyone played it very differently. It was sort of inevitable since it was a new character to figure out, and that’s going to draw a lot of focus, plus a lot of playing with the new dynamic since of course that’s an interesting upheaval for everyone. He was also on a bit of a timer, although his stay was longer than I think anyone planned. But good lord, was the approach with Tary different from Scanlan. We had all of his family drama and personal goals and conflicts fully drawn and presented right up front, with a lot for everyone to get their teeth into, and it was great.

– Not coincidentally, I came to like Tary a lot. I miss him, and am sad.

– I’m not sure if I have a conclusion to this except to say that character and story development are both goddamn interesting and can happen in a lot of ways and at different paces. That doesn’t mean it’s a competition. It does mean bring shit to the table, because otherwise nothing’s gonna grow.

– …I did not mean to make that a compost metaphor. On the other hand, I feel like Scanlan would approve.

Yes, exactly! All of this! When Matt has to scramble for bits and pieces to get a plot hook going, not much of a plot hook is going to develop there. And given the sparse backstory Scanlan gave, a daughter and his former travelling troupe as recurring characters is actually plenty. There’s not much more story you can develop from there.

Goblins aren’t very likely to target you after they kill your mother. They’re little pests who don’t bother who gets away as long as they get their loot. They might pop up in a campaign and your might get to kill a few for vindication, but that’s it. Those were the two points Scanlan brought to the table for story development. Both of those came up.

This is actually a pretty common problem, but except for Pike, all of the other characters did have more narratively rich conflict in their backstories. The twins had their father and a dragon. Grog had a roaming herd of goliaths. Keyleth had a very clearly defined journey to take. Same with Tibs, had he stuck around long enough.

The dad happened to be around even pre-campaign, the dragon was, you know, a dragon, the herd became relevant, and Kiki took her journey. Matt tries to incorporate all of these things. It’s just that attaching your character to a political plot in a town they have a claim to and also releasing guns in the world is going to come up more. And even Percy’s development and screentime pales in comparison to what Vax just happens to stumble into on a regular basis (and then purposefully exclude others, especially Vex, from, but that is reeaaally not something to get into here).

So yeah, the story was designed in such a way that everything the players brought to the table in regards to backstory eventually paid off one way or another. Some brought more to the table, others just got… The opposite of lucky, and here we are.

Literally the only real slight against Scanlan I can see on a narrative level is that he was just handed his vestige. Even Pike at least got to travel somewhere for hers.